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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1597<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion and bizarreness<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Re Heraldry<BR>
Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
unsubscribe dalthor@calweb.com<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Common Law<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1594<BR>
Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Honorary Kills<BR>
Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
About TNE-RCES list<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:44 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:51:35 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
> <tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >You get a gold star for that one.  If I had had a Jolt handy, you'd owe UC<BR>
> >a keyboard.<BR>
> <BR>
> I count those as legitimate kills, mostly because I have enough<BR>
> control that when something hits me like that, I _can_ swallow<BR>
> first.  Necessary self-defense measure; when I was a lot younger<BR>
> than I am now, my father took great pleasure in making me emit<BR>
> milk from my nostrils.<BR>
> <BR>
Same here.<BR>
<BR>
> >I don't even want to think about eating with K'Kree.  <BR>
> <BR>
> Well, other than the question of table manners, I don't<BR>
> necessarily see a problem; the menu would of course be vegetarian<BR>
> - vegan, perhaps - but that doesn't rule out the possibility of<BR>
> pleasant and interesting combinations of flavors.<BR>
> <BR>
I was thinking about the fact that they eat in big groups and feed their<BR>
kids in front of you.<BR>
<BR>
> >Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
> >and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
> >if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine <BR>
> >being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
> >world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
> >that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
> <BR>
> All I'll say on this is "Hiver 'corn dogs'".<BR>
> <BR>
urk!<BR>
Kiri<BR>
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If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:38:28 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion and bizarreness<BR>
<BR>
> As to trying to breed chimps and humans, I'm kinda<BR>
> surprised that no one's<BR>
> tried an in vitro fertilization, just to see what<BR>
> happens, if we really are<BR>
> that close. <BR>
<BR>
What are you, crazy? The lab that tried that would get<BR>
burned to the ground by christian evangelists. Humans<BR>
and chimps? Does the name "Dr Moreau" ring any bells?<BR>
<BR>
Mind you, I'm sure if you searched hard enough on the<BR>
net you could find some interesting photography of<BR>
more, um, "direct" experiments along such lines.<BR>
Certainly every other bizarreness imaginable is on there.<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:47:10 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/99 at 04:43 PM,  Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>Then I tried modifying the standard blueprint to show the modifications.<BR>
>Well, I discovered that the standard blueprint is about twice the size it<BR>
>should be. I'm assuming that two deckplan squares is one displacement<BR>
>ton, so the free trader should have about 400 squares. The blueprint I'm<BR>
>using for a template has at least twice that many.<BR>
<BR>
Could it be possible that the deckplans you are looking at are 4<BR>
squares per dton rather than 2 squares?  That's they way I draw<BR>
them, each square is 1x1x3.5 m for the 14 m3 dton, or 1x1x3.375 for<BR>
MT/CT dtons.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:50:32 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
>I don't remember the name either (we fed it to my sister's cat<BR>
>when said cat was at the kitten stage), but I'm pretty sure that<BR>
>it's the kitten chow from the same people that make IAMS and<BR>
>EUKANUBA.<BR>
<BR>
    Eukanuba is an example of why a "Science Diet" for pets is a good idea,<BR>
wild dogs eat the entirety of their kill. That's the offal, bones, contents<BR>
of the intestinal tract etc. Dog food that is bought in supermarkets is<BR>
essentially horse meat, nothing else. It doesn't contain many of the<BR>
important additives that dogs require so they go looking for it in their<BR>
environment, eating grass, scats and so on. On top of that, tin foods are<BR>
90% water, that's the most expensive glass of water you'll buy today.<BR>
    I wonder if Vargr were confronted with many dog diseases that were<BR>
unknown to them when the Solomani made contact for the first time,<BR>
Parvovirus is a particularly virulent disease that attacks pups among many<BR>
others. Maybe the Vargr have a bad impression of Humaniti from this, it<BR>
would go a long way in explaining the behavior of Vargr corsairs if they<BR>
thought Humans were "dirty."<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:04:03 -0600<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
At 03:27 PM 12/28/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> Kiri wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> >> >Also, keep in mind that after 2-3 *million* years of (genetic)<BR>
><BR>
>A male human might be in danger from a female chimp.  I wonder if a male<BR>
>chimp would respond to a female human.  Not that any female human I can<BR>
>think of would want to, but then again there is some really weird porn out<BR>
>there.  I would think if the scent were right and she presented herself a<BR>
>male chimp might go after a female human.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
There is one recorded case of a woman being raped by an orangutan. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson<BR>
<BR>
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strive to overcome.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:08:59 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
<BR>
>>I don't even want to think about eating with<BR>
>>K'Kree.  <BR>
<BR>
>Well, other than the question of table manners, I<BR>
>don't necessarily see a problem; the menu would of <BR>
>course be vegetarian - - vegan, perhaps - but that <BR>
>doesn't rule out the possibility of pleasant and <BR>
>interesting combinations of flavors.<BR>
<BR>
It also doesn't rule out the possibility of a plate of<BR>
indigestible grasses!<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:49:09 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Heraldry<BR>
<BR>
>Ob Trav: How many of you assume some form of heraldry in the 3I? Is it<BR>
>standardized? How high a rank before one is awarded a device?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I'm sure heraldry would be present in some form - all the other trappings of<BR>
empire are there, and what kind of a court isn't in love with such relics of<BR>
the past?<BR>
<BR>
I'd imagine Knights may be awarded devices for their lifetimes at any point<BR>
after being Knighted, and all higher ranks have heriditary heraldic<BR>
trappings.<BR>
<BR>
It's not something I thought about a lot before, though.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:53:47 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
<BR>
>Given the way JPEG compression works, it'd either be really easy or<BR>
>really hard.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Well, thanks for that gem of insight, Leonard. <grin><BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:15:22 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
>Well, the future is here. My players are about to encounter a<BR>
modified>Well, I discovered that the standard blueprint is about twice the<BR>
size<BR>
>it should be. I'm assuming that two deckplan squares is one displacement<BR>
>ton, so the free trader should have about 400 squares.<BR>
<BR>
'Oversized deckplans' seems to be a recurring problem - the best known case<BR>
being the Empress Marava Far Trader.<BR>
<BR>
However, (assuming a 1m deck grid) I think it's closer to four squares to<BR>
the disp tonne. The guidelines in FFS1 suggest a deck depth of 3.5 metres<BR>
including all the ventilation, ducting and other gunk between floors. Since<BR>
a dT is 14m3, this means that each dT has a footprint of 4m2, or four one<BR>
metre squares.<BR>
<BR>
Personally, I think 3.5 metres verges on the ridiculous, and tend to go<BR>
closer to 2.5 in my calculations. However, this doesn't give you such nice<BR>
numbers (5.6 metre squares per dT).<BR>
<BR>
If you're using 1m squares, you should expect somewhere between 800 and 1200<BR>
squares for a 200dT ship. If you're using a different size, then please<BR>
ignore me.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:22:26 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/22/99 8:53 PM, wombat@premier.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Admittedly, you can download the CC2 demo for free, but it doesn't allow<BR>
> you to save your work (according to the ProFantasy Web site).<BR>
<BR>
Two words; screen shot.<BR>
<BR>
;)<BR>
<BR>
OC, this has limitations.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:27:52 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/22/99 10:29 PM, eris@pcola.gulf.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> 3.  Do it manually in ASCII with "./\|~_-" and so on.  I've done<BR>
> that...right players?  <g> I think my ASCII plans have come out pretty<BR>
> good.<BR>
<BR>
ASCII deckplans? Do you still have them? Mind sharing? Sounds great!<BR>
<BR>
xrp@sierratel.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:39:03 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
>However, (assuming a 1m deck grid) I think it's closer to four squares to<BR>
>the disp tonne. The guidelines in FFS1 suggest a deck depth of 3.5 metres<BR>
>including all the ventilation, ducting and other gunk between floors. Since<BR>
>a dT is 14m3, this means that each dT has a footprint of 4m2, or four one<BR>
>metre squares.<BR>
>Nick<BR>
<BR>
    Wasn't the official deckplan 1.5m x 1.5m? I think they listed a Dton as<BR>
6.75<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:46:47 -0800<BR>
From: "Edward C. Anderson" <dalthor@calweb.com><BR>
Subject: unsubscribe dalthor@calweb.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:46:55 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
>    Wasn't the official deckplan 1.5m x 1.5m? I think they listed a Dton as<BR>
>6.75<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Actually, now I think about it I'm sure it varied between rulesets. The TNE<BR>
disp-ton was 14m3, the volume of 1 metric tonne of liquid hydrogen, but I<BR>
think the value used in CT and TNE was different. (Although I don't think it<BR>
was as small as 6.75m3 - I could be wrong.)<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:43:53 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/1999 19:09, Thom Harris wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> This all reminds me of the "Addams Family" movie where Wednesday asks<BR>
> the"snooty" Girl Scout if her cookies are made with real Girl Scouts?!?!?!<BR>
<BR>
Sounds to me more like a silent salute to the joke about the Boy Scout who<BR>
was kicked out for eating Brownies! ;) ;)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
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Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:55:38 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Nick Bradbeer <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Wednesday, 29 December 1999 12:49<BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>>    Wasn't the official deckplan 1.5m x 1.5m? I think they listed a Dton<BR>
as<BR>
>>6.75<BR>
><BR>
>Actually, now I think about it I'm sure it varied between rulesets. The TNE<BR>
>disp-ton was 14m3, the volume of 1 metric tonne of liquid hydrogen, but I<BR>
>think the value used in CT and TNE was different. (Although I don't think<BR>
it<BR>
>was as small as 6.75m3 - I could be wrong.)<BR>
><BR>
>Nick<BR>
<BR>
    I knew the grid is 1.5m x 1.5m in MegaTraveller and Classic Traveller<BR>
but I was wrong about the volume, it's 9m or 4 x 1.5m according to Traders<BR>
& Gunboats!<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:53:52 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
At 12:28 AM 12/28/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>I'm a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism.  Within<BR>
>that organization, I am a herald.  A number of years ago, I was a<BR>
>member of a group that examined requested coats of arms, and<BR>
>advised whether they were compatible with the rules and styles<BR>
>set forth by the SCA.  One of the submissions, associated with<BR>
>the name "Justinian the Sluggard", was blazoned (described) as<BR>
>follows:<BR>
><BR>
>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant sable.<BR>
<BR>
        <blink><blink><BR>
        Oh, Gawd, I can see where this is going...<BR>
<BR>
>For those not savvy in the language of heraldic blazon, this<BR>
>submission consisted of a field of nine squares, alternately red<BR>
>and white (five red, four white, the center and four corners were<BR>
>red), and in the center was the black profile of a large slug.<BR>
><BR>
>The immediate reaction of every herald at that commenting meeting<BR>
>was "Purina Slug Chow".<BR>
>--<BR>
>Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
<BR>
        ROTFLAMO!<BR>
        Jeff,  you can count that as honorary keyboard kill, since I am<BR>
laughing so hard I am choking....<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
        (SKA:  Cosmano, East Kingdom)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:55:49 -0500<BR>
From: "Lyle Youngblood" <lyley@gte.net><BR>
Subject: Common Law<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:32:01 PST<BR>
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
>Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
><BR>
>Jason ??? writes:<BR>
>> Actually, there are two sets of laws in the uSA.  The<BR>
>> oldest is called Common Law and is decended from<BR>
>> English Common Law.  The second is Equity Law and is<BR>
>> also derived from English Equity Law, which was<BR>
>> decended from Roman Law.  A citizen is actually not<BR>
>> bound by Equity Law unless s/he decides to be so<BR>
>> bound.<BR>
><BR>
>To be blunt, it's *not* your choice. Everyone that has tried this as a<BR>
>defense has been convicted. You live in the US, you are bound by the<BR>
>laws of the US.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
    Actually, Jason, you're off the mark on the Common Law statement as<BR>
well.  The Federal government and the majority of the individual states<BR>
(there are some exceptions, New York I believe is one) are governed<BR>
solely by statutory law.  Common Law has NO standing in US, or most state,<BR>
courts.  Locally, we just went 'round and 'round on this one a bit back with<BR>
the local fundies who tried to overturn a local ordinance prohibiting<BR>
discrimination based on sexual preference because sodomy was against<BR>
the Common Law, despite the fact that Indiana is a statutory law state and<BR>
our last anti-sodomy law was struck down by the State Supreme Court as<BR>
un-constitutional and never replaced 20+ years ago.<BR>
    ObTrav: The difference between statutory law and common law is that<BR>
common law is unwritten and usually based on precedent and public opinion<BR>
while statutory law is solely made by some sort of legislative body<BR>
or other govermental entity in a written/published form.  Imagine a players<BR>
frustation on a planet where all law is an extreme form of common law.<BR>
I.e. a "jury" is convened for each charge and can determine without<BR>
limit the criminality and apropriate punishment for each and any act.<BR>
                                                    Lyle<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:59:44 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1594<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Isn't there some kind of gourmet coffee where the bean has to pass through <BR>
> the digestive tract of a small mammal?<BR>
<BR>
Yes, some sort of civet or mongoose or something in Indonesia eats the<BR>
coffee berries and excretes the bean; apparently its digestive tract does<BR>
something to the bean that makes great, or at least special, coffee once<BR>
it's roasted.  I'm still trying to get a hold of this, but even when I<BR>
lived in Seattle no one knew where to find any.<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:10:31 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
<BR>
 <snipped/paraphrase:  Items used in keyboard kill><BR>
<BR>
Lucky Charms and 2% milk. A Scattered hit pattern on the right center<BR>
keyboard nailing area from right shift key to backspace. Collateral<BR>
damage also occured on clothes and rug.<BR>
<BR>
Next subject: Purina etc<BR>
>> Doesn't it run into the color on color problem or is<BR>
>> sable not a color?<BR>
>Sable is a *fur*.<BR>
<BR>
I thought Sable was a wrestler. Oh well, live and learn...<BR>
<BR>
Next topic: Traveller Artists<BR>
>Can we have some ethnically diverse GUYS in sexy outfits please?<BR>
<snippage> I'll go for the sexy skintight leotard, ........<BR>
<BR>
Shuddering Thought:   Norris in a sexy skintight leotard.<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry (plop101)  No, I don't think you want to see me in a sexy<BR>
skintight leotard either.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:20:14 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/99 at 05:27 PM,  "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>Via electronic medium on 12/22/99 10:29 PM, eris@pcola.gulf.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> 3.  Do it manually in ASCII with "./\|~_-" and so on.  I've done<BR>
>> that...right players?  <g> I think my ASCII plans have come out pretty<BR>
>> good.<BR>
<BR>
>ASCII deckplans? Do you still have them? Mind sharing? Sounds great!<BR>
<BR>
Heavens! Okay, but remember this is for "quick and dirty" stuff. <g><BR>
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Part of Deck 1 of /The Mae Lee/<BR>
 ___________________________________________________<BR>
 Life|6 |5 |4 |3 |2 |1 | C |Large  |Air |      |<BR>
 Supt|_ |_ |_ |_ |_ |_ |__ |Suite  |Lock|Armory|<BR>
     X                     |__ _| _|____|______|<BR>
     |-------+         _ _ _ _  X              X<BR>
     |Sickbay|     [L]| B |  A| +--+-----x-----|<BR>
 ____|_______|     [L]|___|___| |Fire Ctrl     |<BR>
     |       _________________  |  |           | Forward<BR>
 Aft |Galley|Sand & Weapons   | X  x Bridge    | Engineering<BR>
 Eng |  &   |_________________| |Computer      |<BR>
     |Common|7 |8 |9 |10|11|12| |__|_____x_____|<BR>
     |      |_ |_ |_ |_ |_ |_ | |_H_|          X<BR>
     X  _______________             x__________|<BR>
     | __ __ __ __ __ _             | Ship     |<BR>
     |B1|B2|B3|B4|B5|H | Commons    | Locker   |<BR>
 ____|__|__|__|__|__|__|____________|__________|____<BR>
     <BR>
1..12 are small Cabins<BR>
A..C are large Cabins<BR>
The Large Suite has been divided between a Large Cabin and an Office<BR>
B1..B5 are Bunks<BR>
H are Heads *All the cabins have 1x1m freshers.<BR>
L is a lift     <BR>
X are hatches<BR>
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Not the greatest thing in the world, but it gives a fair idea of what's where.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:28:04 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
On 12/29/99 at 12:39 PM,  "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au> said:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>>However, (assuming a 1m deck grid) I think it's closer to four squares to<BR>
>>the disp tonne. The guidelines in FFS1 suggest a deck depth of 3.5 metres<BR>
>>including all the ventilation, ducting and other gunk between floors. Since<BR>
>>a dT is 14m3, this means that each dT has a footprint of 4m2, or four one<BR>
>>metre squares.<BR>
>>Nick<BR>
<BR>
>    Wasn't the official deckplan 1.5m x 1.5m? I think they listed a Dton<BR>
>as 6.75 <BR>
<BR>
No, not exactly.  If I'm not mistaken...<BR>
<BR>
MT/CT had 13.5 m3 = 1 dton.  So, 2 of the 1.5 x 1.5 x 3 m squares<BR>
was 1 dton. Each square = 1/2 dton.<BR>
<BR>
TNE used 14 m3 = 1 dton.  It used 1 x 1 x 3.5 m squares and it took<BR>
4 to make a dton. Each square = 1/4 dton.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:39:27 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Honorary Kills<BR>
<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:51:35 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
> <tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> >You get a gold star for that one.  If I had had a Jolt handy, you'd owe UC<BR>
> >a keyboard.<BR>
> <BR>
> I count those as legitimate kills, mostly because I have enough<BR>
> control that when something hits me like that, I _can_ swallow<BR>
> first.  Necessary self-defense measure; when I was a lot younger<BR>
> than I am now, my father took great pleasure in making me emit<BR>
> milk from my nostrils.<BR>
<BR>
I would have to say that a statement such as Kiri's does _not_ count as<BR>
a keyboard kill (mainly because I'd have to go back and recount!). <BR>
Think of that as a "You shoulda seen the one that got away!" situation. <BR>
However, if the would-be victim _awards_ the poster an "honorary kill",<BR>
that _does_ count (so far, I've seen two since I began the TML KCL<BR>
project).<BR>
<BR>
Your skill, Jeff, merely makes you a harder, and thus more-prized,<BR>
target.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:34:51 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
<BR>
At 12:57 PM 12/28/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> > And listen, I've hiked lots, read lots of<BR>
>> > fantasy (looked at maps a dallas) and I still don't know what a knoll<BR>
>> > is.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> A big hyena-looking critter that walks on two legs. Be glad you've never run<BR>
>> into one while hiking.<BR>
>> <BR>
>Worst and most vicious of all are the big hyena-like critters with plant<BR>
>like protusions growing out of their shoulder blades and cranium...<BR>
><BR>
>yes...<BR>
><BR>
>the justfiably dreaded Grassy Gnoll...<BR>
><BR>
>Kiri  =)<BR>
><BR>
        Damn fine thing I put the Coke down and then read the message...<BR>
toooo close....<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:32:12 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
On 12/29/99 at 12:55 PM,  "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au> said:<BR>
<BR>
>    I knew the grid is 1.5m x 1.5m in MegaTraveller and Classic Traveller<BR>
>but I was wrong about the volume, it's 9m  or 4 x 1.5m according to<BR>
>Traders & Gunboats!<BR>
<BR>
Nope, you have to look at *volume* not square meterage.  MT/CT used<BR>
13.5 cubic meters per dton.  <BR>
<BR>
If you use a 1.5 x 1.5 x 3 you get 6.75 m3.  Two of those equals<BR>
1.35 m3, and you have your dton. So, each 1.5 m2 square is 1/2 dton.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:41:27 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: About TNE-RCES list<BR>
<BR>
I can't seem to send to the TNE-RCES list this evening.  Does anyone<BR>
know if there's a problem there?<BR>
<BR>
In case it helps, I get this error<BR>
<BR>
"<tne-rces@silent-tower.org>...Can not check MX records for<BR>
recipient host silent-tower.org Please check the message recipients<BR>
and try again."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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